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USWNT’s Alex Morgan talks NWSL, Mana Shim, Paul Riley abuse

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Monday noticed the discharge of the unbiased investigation commissioned by the U.S. Soccer Federation and performed by former U.S. deputy legal professional basic Sally Yates, which chronicled the extent to which abuse and sexual misconduct within the Nationwide Ladies’s Soccer League (NWSL) was neglected and ignored “systemically” by executives, coaches and membership homeowners.

The report’s findings focus closely on three coaches within the Nationwide Ladies’s Soccer League who’ve been accused of great sexual misconduct and abuse: former Racing Louisville coach Christy Holly, former Portland Thorns coach Paul Riley and former Chicago Crimson Stars coach Rory Dames. It sheds new mild on the alleged misconduct by these three coaches, in addition to the repeated failures by group homeowners, U.S. Soccer officers and others to heed warnings and complaints from gamers about them.

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With the discharge of the E:60 documentary, “Fact Be Advised,” the highly effective story of the reckoning in girls’s skilled soccer from the perspective of those that skilled it first hand, we’re publishing the complete interview from USWNT worldwide Alex Morgan, who spoke at size concerning the scenario in Portland in addition to her function in attempting to escalate and elevate the allegations round Riley throughout his time on the membership. Morgan was additionally a teammate of Mana Shim (2013-17) and Sinead Farrelly (2014-15) throughout her time with the Thorns from 2013 to 2015.

EDITOR’S NOTE: This has been calmly edited for readability.

ESPN: What do you bear in mind of your teammate Mana Shim in Portland?

Alex Morgan: I bear in mind Mana as a rookie in 2013, as somebody who was simply so glad and likewise so good at soccer. The ball simply caught to her foot. She was somebody that simply made me smile and made me instantly snug being round her — I may simply be myself. And she or he simply was a folks individual — like, folks gravitated in the direction of her.

ESPN: What do you bear in mind of the teaching change that may come after Cindy Parlow Cone?

Morgan: I bear in mind Cindy deciding to not proceed, and us sort of feeling like we’re on high of the world successful in 2013 after our first season of the NWSL. And listening to a couple of teaching change with Paul Riley getting into place. And it was a giant rent by the membership. He had been profitable. He had a whole lot of gamers that spoke extremely of him, a whole lot of gamers that did not communicate extremely of him. And so there was a whole lot of query marks, however he was undoubtedly extremely regarded within the soccer group.

ESPN: What do you bear in mind of what it was like when Riley did are available and begin teaching the Thorns?

Morgan: When Paul got here in and began to implement his type of teaching, there was not the mutual respect, I might say, from gamers and himself that I feel he was used to, perhaps. As a result of he was used to coming in and instantly controlling the whole lot and everybody inside the group.

He did not like massive personalities. He appreciated folks that have been going to say sure and gamers that have been going to do something he stated, something he wished us to do. And I feel that there have been some gamers, together with myself, that requested questions, perhaps too many questions. And he did not like that. And I feel that with that, it was a battle, the primary season underneath Paul — and it solely obtained worse.

ESPN: Once you would ask questions… I imply, you have been a extremely regarded nationwide group participant. What sort of response would you get?

Morgan: It was fascinating, being coached by Paul and figuring out that he did not like folks asking questions, and he did not need myself or fellow nationwide group gamers questioning him as a coach. I feel he had his type of eager to win over gamers and ensure gamers knew that he was the explanation for his or her success, however he struggled with gamers that have been already profitable.

And so coming in, Paul, he simply struggled to seize the center of the group as a result of he wished to implement his route of the group. When he was questioned, he then used manipulation techniques to attempt to break down the group and present that he was the one and solely individual that might create success on the group.

It wasn’t the gamers going to one another or us going to different coaches: It was him. All the pieces went by way of Paul. And so it was a extremely completely different means of teaching that we weren’t used to, with Portland or for me in any respect in my historical past of taking part in soccer.



Alex Morgan shares her frustration on the failure of the NWSL to help Meleana Shim after talking out towards Paul Riley. E60: Fact Be Advised airs October 4 at 7pm ET on ESPN & ESPN+.

ESPN: Was there something that you simply bear in mind that stands out to you of how he used his energy to, such as you stated, manipulate these gamers who have been the perimeter gamers?

Morgan: Paul would have this teaching tactic of — on the finish of the day, it is verbal abuse — however he would break down gamers… Mana, a few different gamers that have been simply preventing to get some taking part in time. He would break them down in a means that in the event that they weren’t taking part in as much as a typical in a coaching or in a sport, he would rip into them at halftime.

One time with a participant who was with us in 2015, [Riley] simply tore into her and about how unhealthy of a mom she was and the way all of those private assaults that had completely nothing to do with the sport and it made all of us uncomfortable. However he would try this after which two days later, we’d be again at coaching after an off day and he would simply be smiling as if nothing occurred.

He did not simply verbally assault anyone. Like, he did not simply assault our personalities, us as folks, relatively than soccer gamers. And it was bizarre since you have been like, “I am sorry, I used to be there while you did this, however have been you there? Do you bear in mind this?” And he would undergo this sample of breaking somebody down after which lifting them up and being like, “I may assist you get to the place you wish to be.”

And so it was a manipulation tactic that I feel wore on a whole lot of gamers, however particularly gamers who have been struggling to get taking part in time or get [on the roster]. All they wished was validation that they deserved to be there, and he would do it in a means that actually made them really feel like they may solely have faith when he gave them confidence.

ESPN: When was the primary time that you simply do not forget that Mana confided in you about what was occurring along with her with Paul Riley?

Morgan: Early 2015 is when Mana confided in me that Paul was actually crossing the road. He did a few issues specifically, like asking her to go over to his lodge room to observe movie, after which opening the door in his boxers and shutting the door behind her and asking her to sit down in his mattress. Or asking if she wished to come back to the World Cup last in Vancouver, with him sending alongside the reservation of the lodge that had a king-size mattress and never two rooms or two beds.

So, a few issues that he did and stated by way of textual content message that she relayed to me and this solely progressed, and Mana actually struggled with it in 2015. I attempted to assist her as a lot as potential, however I used to be gone lots with the nationwide group so I actually did not get a way of how unhealthy it was till I got here again from Vancouver and he or she confirmed me textual content messages and shared with me the issues that he did that crossed the road and have been simply straight-up sexual harassment. And we sort of began from sq. one on: Effectively, how can we strategy this? How can we report this? How can we maintain somebody like this accountable?

ESPN: And what did you do?

Morgan: When Mana informed me that she was able to report him, though she was scared to lose her job as a soccer participant, she did not know the precise means to do this. She wished to anonymously report him as a result of then she would not be vulnerable to retribution, and I informed her that I might do the whole lot I may to discover a contact for HR inside the league or inside the Portland Thorns and Timbers group.

On the league, I could not discover something. I could not discover [an] HR contact, I could not discover an nameless hotline. I could not even discover an anti-harassment coverage which may structure precisely what he was doing that was reportable. So I ultimately needed to go to the Portland Thorns group and name and simply ask round if there was anybody at HR that they will share a contact with me for, and that I did not actually wish to share what it was about, however I actually would really like the contact info of that individual.

I lastly obtained that info and shared that with Mana, and at that time she reported him. And that was late 2015.



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ESPN: What was it like listening to Mana inform you these items that had been occurring to her?

Morgan: It was actually arduous to see a teammate going by way of what Mana was going by way of in 2015 as a result of to begin with, I had by no means personally skilled that earlier than, however I additionally by no means had a teammate expertise that and open up to me in the way in which that she did, and all I wished to do was help Mana. I deeply cared for Mana. She nonetheless is one among my greatest pals right this moment, however I did not know what to do aside from help her by me being there.

I knew I wished to get Paul out of teaching. I wished to carry him accountable. I wished to carry the Portland Thorns group accountable, however I did not know the way. I simply wished to take Mana’s route and help her in any means potential, but it surely was arduous navigating that and exhibiting as much as coaching and video games day by day, figuring out that Paul was attempting to make use of his place of energy to harass and assault Mana.

She was in an unattainable place.

ESPN: When she does finally report him and the Thorns say that they’ll care for it, what do you bear in mind of the sequence of occasions after that?

Morgan: I bear in mind Mana reporting Paul to the league in late 2015, and the one purpose she waited that lengthy is as a result of she did not wish to be reduce from the group earlier than the top of the season. She did not need Paul to search out out and for him to both bench her, or waive her or reduce her. So she waited, and he or she shared with me the e-mail that she was drafting to the league — to Jeff Plush, the commissioner on the time. And she or he additionally, I consider, CC’d both Merritt [Paulson, Portland Thorns owner] or Gavin [Wilkinson, Thorns GM] as properly. And we went over that e-mail collectively earlier than she despatched it, and he or she laid all of it on the market. And at that time then I consider Jeff Plush responded.

I consider Portland had an investigation with a really slender scope. I used to be interviewed, I consider, for 15 or 20 minutes — such a brief interview that I really cannot even recall the questions from the interview, and that was it. There was no conclusion from the investigation, nothing reported again to us primarily based on the findings or advice. Paul Riley and Portland Thorns went their separate methods, and Gavin and Merritt wished Paul properly.

ESPN: What was going by way of your head as they launched that assertion?

Morgan: It was actually troublesome to see that the Thorns “parted methods” with Paul Riley relatively than firing him — I do not even know if it was launched that they have been letting him go, I feel it was that they parted methods. And at the moment it was actually devastating as a result of I had helped Mana do the precise factor, which was reporting Paul to the league and hoping that they’d take motion and maintain him accountable, and he or she went by way of all the precise steps to report somebody who was sexually harassing her, to cease what was being executed that was extremely mistaken, and he or she was failed.

She was failed by the system, and I feel that was the toughest factor on the time was: What can we do now? Does Mana simply transfer on? How do you progress on from this? And Paul simply quickly after obtained picked up by North Carolina and — was it North Carolina?

ESPN: Western New York.

Morgan: It was Western New York, they usually moved. He obtained picked up by Western New York as the pinnacle coach and at that time, like, is Mana speculated to proceed to play towards this coach within the league, and see this coach probably do the identical factor to gamers on a brand new group? It was devastating. We did not know what to do.

ESPN: Mana informed me that it meant lots to her that you simply had informed her, “I am by no means going to shake his hand once more.”

Morgan: Yeah, I by no means shook his hand. And he began to — folks caught on that I didn’t respect Paul within the slightest, that I might not shake his hand. I might not take a look at him on the finish of the sport after we have been taking part in towards Western New York and what got here to be North Carolina, as a result of I used to be disgusted and I used to be saddened by Mana’s scenario.

I simply knew that he wanted to be held accountable someday and that it will occur someday, but it surely took years for that to occur. And I informed Mana that I had her again it doesn’t matter what. I simply wished to help her and assist her in holding folks accountable that wanted to be held accountable. It is simply unhappy that it took years and years of us forcing folks’s hand to take away him from his place of energy.



Alex Morgan calls out former NWSL commissioner Lisa Baird for her failure to answer Paul Riley’s abuse. E60: Fact Be Advised airs October 4 at 7pm ET on ESPN & ESPN+.

ESPN: Mana informed us that she felt like she’d executed the whole lot, you each had executed the whole lot that you simply felt like you possibly can on the time. And it wasn’t till 2020 when Sinead [Farrelly] really opened as much as her about her personal experiences that Mana felt the empowerment once more to attempt to go at this once more. Did she ever speak with you about her reattempt to guarantee that Riley was held accountable for his actions?

Morgan: In July of 2020, Mana known as me, and he or she stated that she had had a number of conversations with Sinead, and he or she stated that she could not consider Paul was nonetheless in energy, but when folks wanted to listen to her story to take away him from his place of energy, then that is what wanted to occur.

She requested if I may assist her discover a authorized group to take him down, to do the precise steps, to lastly pressure him to be held accountable. And that is what we did from July 2020 on, till the article was launched by The Athletic. We labored on it meticulously and spent so many hours with our authorized and technique group, along with her authorized and technique group, to discover a technique to put the NWSL in a nook the place they needed to transfer ahead by defending gamers, restructure a league that so desperately wanted to guard us and develop and evolve as a result of it was caught. This league was caught in a spot that did not defend gamers, that did not serve its gamers at the start.

And that is what we set our mission on in July 2020, and that advanced finally into the article that was launched and the firing of Paul within the fall of 2021.

ESPN: What have been you feeling when that article was launched?

Morgan: On Sept. thirtieth when the article was lastly launched, I bear in mind the place I used to be. I used to be in Seattle, and I used to be speaking to Mana on the telephone day by day for every week main as much as that. And it was simply so many feelings however principally a sigh of reduction as a result of our aim was for Paul to not even step on the sphere as a head coach in 2021, but it surely took so many extra months to place collectively, to research, for The Athletic to research the whole lot, for us to actually work with our authorized group find one of the best ways for Mana to share her story and for Sinead, too.

And so it took months longer than we anticipated for the article to lastly be launched, however as soon as we knew it was, and I consider inside hours of that occuring, Paul was fired. It was simply an enormous sigh of reduction.

ESPN: You set in a whole lot of work to assist Mana, to guarantee that this occurred. Why?

Morgan: With me being somebody that Mana confided in initially, again in 2015, I informed her that I wished to help her and assist her in any means potential, whether or not that was to neglect it, whether or not that was to take down Paul and all that wanted to be held accountable — I informed her, no matter she wanted. She’s one among my greatest pals, and in 2020 once I obtained the decision that she had spoken with Sinead and that she was able to share her story and take down Paul, I used to be able to do something and the whole lot potential figuring out that I deeply take care of Mana, and I deeply take care of the state of soccer within the U.S., for the NWSL and the way forward for the NWSL. I knew there wanted to be change.

I felt like on the time in 2020 after we began on this mission, to get Paul fired and to implement insurance policies inside the NWSL that also had not been carried out after 9 years — fundamental office insurance policies, anti-harassment insurance policies that have been non-existent within the NWSL — we realized that there was a lot extra work to do than attempting to get Paul fired. We realized that the NWSL was in a state that was not solely fragile and short-staffed and in dire want of adjusting and itself within the mirror; we realized that it simply did not defend gamers.

On the finish of the day, gamers weren’t protected. I felt like in my place, I am ready the place if I stood up and stated that issues weren’t adequate, I feel folks would pay attention, and I knew that Mana wanted me to assist her share her story and do what we wanted to do. So that is what I did. I simply informed her that I used to be all-in — I am not likely a half-in kind individual — and if she wanted me and this league wanted me, then I used to be right here to pressure their hand in altering the league.

ESPN: Lisa Baird put out an announcement proper after this information broke saying that she was “shocked and disgusted.” What did you suppose studying that?

Morgan: We talked with our authorized group weekly. I preserve saying “our” as a result of I really really feel like for 2 years, we talked weekly, so I used to be a part of it. We talked with our authorized group weekly and we considered each angle. We considered what if they are saying this? What in the event that they try this? What if they are saying, “Oh, there’s fundamental office insurance policies?” Okay, properly, present us.

So we did issues the place I might ship off emails to Lisa Baird. I might ask for a name with Lisa Baird. I used to be on a name along with her and [President of the National Women’s Soccer League Players Association] Tori Huster and [NWSL General Counsel] Lisa Levine, and requested for these fundamental office insurance policies. Lisa Levine stated, “They’re someplace. I am positive I will be capable to discover them.” And I used to be like, “Okay, nice. We’ll be ready.” Weeks glided by, nothing occurred.

We drafted insurance policies for the NWSL with our authorized group and handed them to the NWSL, after which nonetheless needed to ask our PA [Players Association] to place a timeline on after they wanted to be carried out and given out to all gamers and employees. Earlier than the season of 2021, we requested them earlier than the primary sport of season begins, “We want these insurance policies to be in place.” They pushed again, the league pushed again, the Lisas pushed again. Sinead and Mana each despatched emails that all of us checked out, a number of drafts of those emails asking them to look into the sexual harassment and assault from Paul Riley from years again.

Lisa Baird’s e-mail again: “We’re doing what we will. We’ll look into it. We’ll get again to you.” Nothing.

So when this text was lastly launched and there is a sigh of reduction on our aspect and simply utter shock from the remainder of the soccer group — we had already identified the whole lot. We tried to offer the league an opportunity and time once more to do the precise factor. I wished so deeply for Lisa Baird to simply rise up and say, “I am sorry. I did not do sufficient. I did not look into sufficient. I trusted our basic counsel, Lisa Levine, an excessive amount of. We have been too understaffed. We did not have sufficient folks within the room to actually make calculated selections,” however she did not. She stated she was shocked and disgusted, and that was stunning as a result of that was a lie.

ESPN: And what did you do?

Morgan: I obtained on a bunch textual content, one which was very lively between Mana, Sinead and our authorized and technique group, and we talked about what wanted to occur, and a tweet was the most effective plan of action for that.

ESPN: And what do you bear in mind of the response?

Morgan: I bear in mind Lisa placing in her letter of resignation.

ESPN: How did that make you’re feeling?

Morgan: I want I may say that it made me really feel good, but it surely did not as a result of I take care of this league a lot. And I simply wished the folks in cost to not solely be held accountable, but in addition to simply lead this league out of a darkish time, simply to lift their hand and say that they hadn’t executed issues proper earlier than however, ‘Transferring ahead, we will do the whole lot we will.’ And it was arduous to know the folks in cost on the time simply would not try this. They nonetheless would not settle for the failures that they noticed and did and come clean with it.

So it was actually arduous seeing Lisa Baird resign as a result of I did not need her in cost anymore, however who was going to step in now? It was a extremely troublesome time within the NWSL as a result of not solely have been they understaffed, however now, the pinnacle of the league, the commissioner is now stepping down too due to failures on her half, so the place can we go from right here? Who’s going to guide now? It was actually arduous.

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